you need to look into your training and style a lot more, you lost almost all of the real karate techniques if you didnt learn grappling.
i would recommend aiki-jujutsu although any japanese jujutsu will help. most all of the techniques in jujutsu are in your kata as well
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you claim you have been training 20 years, how could you forget. that doesnt sound right either
Been there.
Kokoro is right but if your teacher's knowledge is limited in areas (and there is no teacher who is really good at everything in one style) then you got to go somewhere else and get it. I picked a teacher from Aikijutsu and love it. It very much compliments my Karate style and the techniques are sometimes as simple as just doing your Kata. That's when you know you got a technique that fits your style. Not all techniques fit into your repertoire and the trick is to weed through them to make your karate stronger.
I also got some things from Chen Taiji believe it or not. But that Taiji class was taught as a martial art and not for health and fitness.
I also stole a couple things from BJJ but those needed quite a bit of modification as they were meant for sports.
Shaolin Kung Fu also gave me a few pointers.
Bottom line I steal the stuff where I can get it so maybe look more at teachers and what they are teaching that you might be lacking in your training rather than styles. All styles can be taught so many different ways and in order to keep from doing everything over it is more efficient to pin down what more you need to add and then find a teacher who teaches that rather than rely on style and then find out you are doing the same stuff over you have already done for the past 20 years.
I'd give this guy a call to see if there is a location near you:
http://www.daito-ryu.org/en/locations.ht...
and maybe this one:
http://www.dojolocator.com/ChicagoBudoka...
I know neither is in your area but I do know if there are any in your area these guys would know about it and can point you in the right direction.
You just didn't have that great of a instructor. That or he never imparted the knowledge they should have. Karate forms like many others have hidden meaning and moves. Which is sad to say. Mainly at your level. It might be time to look for another instructor in the style of karate you study.
@KW...showing your ignorance and lack of knowledge as usual. Too bad your a waste of human flesh when it comes to martial arts/sciences. You don't know crap abt JJJ or Aikido. And you still have the wrong concept of what a compliance technique is.
BTW KW thx for telling lies to Kaiser. We all know your a fool and love to spread b.s.. I quote "@Kaiser: JoKyoNim is making fun of you. He sent me an email telling me you were a Naruto LARP'ing fan boy. While I would agree, I would at least tell you to your face, unlike him which prefers to slander others behind their back."
Now if you want to START A BATTLE be sure you can FINISH THE WAR. BTW your as dumb as you act. Also KW i probably have done more by the time is was 26 than you ever will in your entire pathetic life.
Just find a new school. It can be one of the styles you listed or it can be another karate style. Make certain to visit the classes. Have a list of questions. Make sure you ask about throws, chokes, joint locks, etc being taught in that school. Then you can make an educated guess on which school will be best for you. You should have learned these things in your karate class. Maybe your instructor doesn't know them or teach them, I don't know. Maybe you school was a karate sports class instead of a traditional or classical art.
That's unfortunate that your school doesn't do many joint locks and grappling technique. Traditionally, Karate is chalked full of those. In my experience, Karate is more grappling than it is striking! (despite the media portrayal.)
If your teacher(s) are unable to teach you what you're looking for, then there's nothing wrong with checking out other schools. After all, the thirst for knowledge is a great thing. You can do whatever makes you happy.
Maybe just try Aikido. Aikido does have elements of Aikijujutsu stripped down e.g. some joint manipulations might take longer to break, some throws may not break as many joints, chokes are missing unless you have a school containing instruction for the finger choke, or cross to judo, jujutsu. Though it's pretty similar, only a bit circular than aikijujutsu.
You live in the Bay area and can't find an Aikido class or some other similar class. Try this web site and I got this in just a few key strokes. Consider looking on the internet as many schools rely on that for advertising and promoting their schools and programs instead of the phone book.
As for which art-any of those will expand your understanding and skill of these things and go nicely with karate. Enjoy.
http://search.yahoo.com/local/s;_ylt=A0o...
@Liondancer- You seem to lack a lot of respect for BJJ, perhaps you should go and find an academy and see how much of a sport it truly is. I have seen you say that a number of times now and find it pretty offensive especially when i see Karate is all about sports now too.
BJJ was around a long time before it become a sport as well as a martial art. Perhaps show a little respect because i am sick of saying it. I dont come here rubbishing your style. I have never trained for sport in my entire life nor has any person that i trained with NOT ONCE.
I personally train with a man who runs an entire academy for Karate and is a 6th degree black belt and a 5th degree in Matayoshi Kobudo ... yet he still trained BJJ simply because he needed to understand exactly how vunerable his style is. HE now employs a BJJ Brown belt to come to his Karate academies weekly to teach the finer skills of ground fighting....hmmmmm this isnt for sport too is it???
I seriously doubt that you're a Yodan with 20+ years experience and am asking that question. If you are, you clearly have not had a very good teacher.
If you're claim is real, I don't understand why at Shodan you weren't working on more advanced techniques and on rounding out your skills.
I would love to know what style and who you trained under if you're not a troll as I'd want folks to avoid them like crazy.
As Kokoro stated, it is all in your style, if you can fine the teacher who knows it.
Many of today's teacher's do not teach their entire styles. If no old-school karate instructors are available, I also recommend the aiki arts. aikido for example uses almost the exact same grappling as Shotokan karate, but uses it a bit different. Still, the aiki arts and karate fit right together, and it is still karate.
I been taking karate for 20+ years. We dnt do many throws and joint locks and would like to learn more also want to up my evasion speed. I'm a 4th dan. I was thinking aiki jujitsu japanese jujitsu or aikido. I like the aiki and j jujitsu but can't find many in sf area or Bay Area. Which would you recommend and do you know any schools around here (Bay Area)?
It's in your kata! It's in your kata!!!
Funny thing is very little technique is useful to you while it's still hidden away in your kata.
Find someone who teaches that stuff so that it's in your skill and ability toolbox rather than stuck in the theoretical land of kata.
Kata is a guide - practicing it like you mean it makes it yours.
You can always learn more forms of fighting and it can be better for you in the long run. I love learning new fighting styles and forms. There is just so many places that you can go to learn these and its great.
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