Face it, BJJ in its early days produced some cocky people who regard anything else as useless. In WWII Japan, a film was made with the purpose of downing western boxing and praising judo. Chinese Kung Fu movies antagonized Japanese martial arts. Though not explicit but On Bak movies of MT even portrayed the Chinese as villainous and beat up kung fu practitioners. Often by 'true' believers of the style.
Surely there's an advertising campaign pattern here. Of course not every martial artists of any style agree to it. It happens because of cocky people.
You are right on many level. Kicks are not always good. You easily lose balance. Grappling is only good as a last resort, or learning to avoid it. Any edged weapon puts a huge disadvantage on grappling or entries that expose yourself. Though it's not impossible to defend using grappling.
Boxers, wrestlers beat the living daylight out of martial artists upon introduction to the East. Many Tianjing martial artist got bone fractures and injuries by a wrestler, boxers were doing an equally winning job.
Boxing is not useless. That's a misconception. I believe that combat sports can be useful as training and application in some way though nothing ever fully does the job. As humans, we don't use a multipurpose tool. We use varieties of tools. We don't just use a knife. We use so many variations for hunting, fishing, bushcraft, carving. All purpose makes them different.
Though I'd agree that it's kind of true to some extent that boxers are atheletes in the modern field. There's no situational awareness as standard boxing. No mindset of fighting to escape or access a higher weapon. No standard teaching of how to strike with no gloves. No mindset of ever facing someone who doesn't fight but rather wants it over with and bull rush you like a werewolf instead of a striker. Though some of these features apply to many other current martial arts training. Boxing is not alone.
All I really need to say is nothing is useless. Everything is like a knife variety in a whole bag that has a fate and purpose. Sure there's swiss army knives of kicking, grappling and everything, but that's not to say its length sucks for bushcraft, or some tools are just too weak for a specialized job.
I've never heard any hate towards boxing. No matter how you twist and turn everybody who trains martial arts has to have some form of boxing in their repertoire.
With that being said boxing is limited. A boxer is a better boxer then a MMA fighter or anything similar but he lacks other fighting abilities.
I think boxing is a great art. I trained it for a long time and it gave me a lot. It's a deceptively difficult art to learn. It's easy to be good and get the basics down. It's hard to be great and learn the advanced things.
I tell folks in my class that one of the people that least want to meet in the street is a trained boxer. The speed of their punches, the agility, the stamina, the constant live action experience...all of these things boxers bring to the table. These folks have concentrated their experience in the punching realm and are damn good at it. So I in no way, shape or form would ever discount a boxer's skills or abilities, and don't spout off to the students that these folks are just one dimensional dummies because they aren't.
I think the unfortunate thing for boxing is that whenever a boxer has taken a spin in an MMA competition, the script usually works like this. Boxer lands a few decent blows, gets taken down at the 1 minute mark because the opponent gauges his timing and the boxer doesn't train take down defenses or any kicks/knees, ends up on his back where he doesn't know what he's doing, and gets submitted in round 1.
Anyone relying simply on boxing on the street will have a decent chance defending him/herself. However, if they want to be more prepared they really should seek out some instruction related to combatives or an instructor who will talk to them about psychological aspects of fighting, improvised weapons, etc. and get them in situations where they have to fight on the ground.
What inspires that train of thought is logic,boxers dont train kicks and they are vulnerable to grappling as we have all seen proof of at one point or another (thankyou UFC). I do Boxing as well and i know that the fitness level needed is crazy,and that it is a highly effective style of fighting for real life situations as you can end a fight in a split second,also the most common attack will be a type of punch and what better style to defend a punch but boxing.Despite boxing Great strengths it is overwhelmed by its large amount of weaknesses,it is vulnerable to so many different attacks.
I think it's their pride toward their own styles. If you refer to those who have also trained martial arts. They might just trying to say that 'my styles are better than boxing'. It's like a part of promotion with black-campaigning boxing (one of the most popular). They told people over and over again until people believe that boxing is 'just another western style of fighting and can't be applied in real street fights for self defense'. But for some reason, maybe people just bored to have seen almost the same pattern in every boxing fights. They didn't know before they fought a real pro-boxer (I got my own good lesson for that after kissing the mat :D)
They just didn't know that mostly of the fighters nowadays also have trained boxing for their own good. Well... at least adapt some basic punches from boxing.
I would never say any of those things and I know very few serious martial artists who would. Boxers are amazing and every single professional fighter out there acknowledges it's importance. There's a reason the default attack people think of when they want to hurt someone is a punch in the face. Boxing is amazing.
As a martial art I think boxing is great as long as its cross trained with a ground fighting art like Jujitsu so you can work the guard if you are taken down from the straight up stance of Boxing. Nothing beats hand technique like boxing. Proper footwork shows amazing results.
I think it’s like current hate relationship between MMA and MA world. Boxing used to be that 'sports martial art' that claimed to be the world’s strongest. Not to mention boxing was introduced to many nations as the European martial art when Europe was going around colonizing everybody. So much of ancient hate towards Imperial Europe might be bleeding towards boxing from the Asian martial arts. Or I might be reading too much into that and it might just be the lovely ‘sportive martial arts are useless on the street’ thing.
Elements of boxing should be taught in MA training. Boxing has a lot to offer anyone interested in fighting arts. I think that most don't hate boxing, it is probably more that MMA offers more to the fight than just hits to the body and head. A long drawn out boxing match has potential of getting much more boring than a long drawn out MMA fight.
I personally LOVE Boxing! Is it the best for selfdefense? I'd have to say no, but it's definitely in the top 5 or so best martial arts for self defense. I don't have a huge amount of training in Boxing, and most of my striking (well, my practical striking) is from Muay Thai. I'd have t say that to me, Muay Thai is better self defense than boxing is because of it's wider variety of strikes and clinches, but Boxing has lots of thing that Muay Thai doesn't. For example, better footwork, head movement, and of course, punches. One thing though, is that I don't see a ton of people bashing Boxing on here. I would say that my main martial art is BJJ, and I made a post similar to this one about BJJ, and everyone said that they didn't feel like BJJ was being bashed at all, yet I felt it was being bashed a lot. I thin that we're more sensitive to criticism to our own arts/fighting styles, and thus when we see a criticism about it, we remember it better. Just my thoughts though...
Hello fellow gladiators, warriors and combatants. Before reading this know, im going to try and be as respectful and articulate as possible, so please if your going to be ignorant and negative dont answer, now im not saying all MMA/ MAists hate boxing, but the few that do im curious; I have been training for 20 years 10 years of it being boxing, with the other 10 bieng in wrestling, American kickboxing savate, kenpo, muay thai, muay lao, pradal serey , and sanda. Out of all the combat knowledge ive gained thru training and fighting, I have to say that boxing was by far the hardest to learn and the most practical in real life situations, ( in my opinion) the movements and angles you learn as well as the stamina you develop both to taking and receiving hits are 2nd to none, now before I go on, I no what your going to say, "They don't train kicks" or "They dont train grappling" or " boxers are limited and just athletes not Fighters," im curious what inspires this train of thought
Judo gene lebbel loves it so I do to. I think what a lot if people don't like the lack of martial science and lack of self control alot of boxers are famous for.
Since when did anyone hate boxing?
i love boxing it has a lot of great attributes, its mma i dislike, more to the point mma fanboys i hate
Not here, good boxing takes heart, and i respect that!
IDK, I have never noticed hatred of any kind towards boxing to be honest. I have seen plenty of boxers whoop on grapplers, and kickboxers.
