man stops robber with aikido
EDIT: Hey! I found one for ya:
The fact is, Aikido is closely related to Judo, Jujitsu, and other Japanese styes. I study Bujinkan and one of the videos posted by another person, showed an "Aikido" move (wrist lock while pulling the inside of the elbow) that I practiced last week at my dojo. Aikido applied in the real world, will look exactly like jujitsu and judo. Look for videos of those styles if you want to see Aikido applied in the real world.
Why even pose such a question? If you don't think Aikido works, then don't study it. Don't train in it. Don't worry about it! If you really need to know the answer, then go to your nearest Aikido dojo and find a student (at least 3rd Kyu in rank) and ask if you can be Uke for them (and you're willing to sign a waiver releasing student and school from liability of injury). Your job: a committed attack of your choosing. Their job: apply aikido defensive techniques. Fair enough?
Like I said for another question:
I only offer one suggestion: if you don't think someone is "legitimate", and you can't rest until you absolutely prove they are a "real black belt", go ahead and spar with them. They will either refuse because they don't feel the need to prove anything, or, they will show you just how good they are at sparring, and how "legitimate" they are. Or, if you are really obnoxious, they may choose to "keep it real" at your expense, a la Dave Chappelle style.
Seeing as you can have bad students from good schools and good students from bad schools, I think it is a waste of time to try to figure out how "real" someone else is unless you are either partnering with them or paying them money for instruction. If the legitimacy does not involve something financial, then in my opinion, it's a waste of time.
Better to spend your time making sure that YOU are "real" than worrying about someone else's realness.
There must be some reason that aiki is favored by military, and police agencies world wide.
It is far more effective in reality than MMA, or football, or soccer.
It is nor suited to sport because of the dangers. there is a reason uke always 'complies', and that is because he knows how to not get broken into pieces. Aikido can be brutally violent and effective ion competent hands.
You have asked for proof of Aikido working in an MMA situation.
That's like asking to see a banana fly a helicopter.
MMA is a sport, between two training/skilled fighters, who agree to a contest of skill where the winner is defined by who scores the most points.
As Aikido is not designed to score points, and it's whole philosophy is neutralising an attacker without injuring him, you cannot put it into a an environment like MMA in which it is not designed to work, and then expect it to work. Like I say, that's like asking a banana to fly a helicopter, and then when it fails deciding that banana's have no use.
MMA is a sport, it is not a self defence, so MMA should not be the benchmark you use to judge reality. Reality for a start is very rarely one on one, how much does MMA teach you about dealing with multiple opponents?
Gozo Shioda vs. Secret Service Agent
The video Kokoro posted throws the saying that it takes a long ime to be able to use out of the window. The guy had only being practicing 3 months..
Military and police use it
Robert F. Kennedy had suspicions as well, when he first saw a demonstration of Aikido in a trip in to Japan, so he send his bodyguard to check if Aikido was real. As it seems he was convinced. :)
Since I do not plan my fights so I can video tape them for you guys I do not have a video tape. All I can say that it worked just fine for me. I study several styles and am fairly new to Aiki since it is not my primary style but when the attack happened, Aiki happened. I did not think about it or plan it. Was it pretty like in the dojo with my uke ending up in a pretty roll? No. My attacker was stupid and did not know how to escape my technique. He slammed into a wall instead and the pin ended up against the wall and not the floor like it was practiced in the dojo. Did I get hurt in the process? Yes. If you fight you get hit especially if you are not the instigator. Was it serious? No. Did it take care of my attacker? Yes, the assault stopped and the attacker left.
You guys think that the exercises in class are the actual fight and it is not. So stop trashing what you don't understand. The pretty rolls in the dojo are escapes and help a person who has the techniques applied to them get out of the techniques before something breaks. Noone is forcing you to train Aiki so why are you trying to force others not to train in something we can make work. All this is not about what works or doesn't (because there are Aiki techniques in your MMA) but about control. You wanting to control what others do or should not do.
not kata, not choreographed, not light randori, not from movies, not Steven Seagal's or any sensei's students playing, but an actual aikido technique against a real, violent opponent, in a self defense or MMA situation.
Please show such a video from Youtube or anywhere. I'm not interested whatsoever in theories on how the techniques might work hypothetically.
kind of a stupid debate. So many techniques that are not unique to any specific art. Aikido use punches and kicks, sweeps, throws. Arm bar but so do ja lot of other styles. Most styles have something to offer.
here is an example of useful styles that are usedin many arts including Aikido
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There are many accounts of this. I know several police officers, one an Aikido master that use Aikido frequently to subdue suspects. I want to make one thing clear here. I'm not an Aikido student. In fact until 1989 or 1990, I had serious doubts about Aikido and its usefulness in real applications. Several things changed that. First I had this nagging contradicting ideas about it and its origin. Aikido was created based on the Jujutsu styles that the Samurai Warriors used. So its origins have proven themselves countless times in battle against a resisting attacker that is certainly not playing. To believe anything other than that it was effective is to ignore countless historical accounts of its use.
But I still felt like what Aikido I had seen could not work in real situations.
That all changed at a weekend seminar that I attended in butler PA. One morning I got up early and went to the cafeteria fro coffee. An Aikido master (Thomas Burdine) Came in and started talking to me. He told me that he could have me sit in a chair and he could easily get me to stand up and walk. There was no way I believed that. I expected him to embarrass himself in front of everyone there. Burdine Sensei placed a folding metal chair and had me sit in it. He told me to not let him get me out of the chair no matter what happened. Being that I was already experienced in several martial arts, and not easily convinced, I just knew he would fail. He touched the tip of my nose with one finger while touching the back of my neck with his out hand. The next thing I knew I was not only standing, I was moving forward and increasing speed. I could not believe it. Nor could I explain it. We repeated this several times. I became more and more confused as to what he was doing. He never touched me with more than a little pressure using his finger tips. The last two times he got me out of the chair, I had been reaching down and holding the bottom edjes of the chair, determined not to allow him to get me up. Burdine Sensei did not fail. Not only did he do this to me, A friend that was a Godan (5th degree black belt for those that don't know), and a really big tough guy, came in the cafeteria. I told him to come see this. i got him to sit in the chair and Burdine Sensei did the same thing to my friend. a crowd of people collected to watch all this. Several different people sat in the chair and all of them got up and started walking faster and faster. My plans for the seminars that day was already decided. I was going to attend several different seminars. I dropped one and went to Burdine Sensei's Seminar. All I can say is Aikido can and does work. After that weekend I began to look into the Aiki-Jujutsu roots of the style of Kempo I practice (Tetsu-ken-Kamishin-Ryu). The Aiki-Jujutsu that I found is alot like Aikido. It has really changed the Kempo I do much since the early 1990's.
OK, now those that refuse to listen go ahead and laugh. But those of you that know me know I'm not easily convinced and not gullible. and I'm a firm believer in Aikido. If I could find an Aikido Master near me I would probably take off my black belt and start training with him as a white belt.
EDIT: Aikido does not rely on a compliant attacker. Comments like that show gross ignorance. No one reading this learned to read and write before they learned the A, B, C's. No one learned a Judo throw (or any other kind of throw) starting with an opponent that is resisting. We all learned in stages. The first stage is learning the proper postures distance, timing, and execution of the technique. As we became better at doing the technique the opponent began to resist and also attacker faster. Aikido is no different. Many fighting arts or methods use techniques that can be done using strength even if the person using it has bad skills and technique. A poorly done kick or punch can be effective. Aikido on the other hand does not work at all if you try to use strength. The technique must be very good and the timing must be exact. So sure it looks fake and useless. And most of what you see is not done on a high level. Training will involve many hours of practice against a less than fully resistant opponent. But as I said that changes over time. Aikido is in my opinion much harder to learn and master than other martial arts. for this reason there are very few truly highly skilled Aikido-Ka. but they are out there and they can be as effective as any other fighting method, for real attacks. BUT< it is not suited to a sport venue in any way. Competition fighting is not and never will be the same as most life threatening attacks.
By the way, Aikido was not used by the samurai. The samurai had hundreds of different styles of Aiki-Jujutsu (each clan had their own style/version). Aikido was developed from Aiki-jujutsu abut is not the same. Calling it the same is like calling a Lamborghini a Ferrari. Lamborghini was started by a former employee of Ferrari. But that does not make a Lamborghini a Ferrari.
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Someone tried to mug me at the local wet market with a sharpened toothbrush. I got his hand with the weapon but since he wasnt giving up I ended up breaking his thumb and wrist during the struggle. He ran off and I went home with my life so I guess it worked.
I doubt you'll find that. Aikido has always been dependent on a highly cooperative opponent.
