There are some tough guys out there that come in all sizes and from all background, some with "training" and others only with experience.
Training for actual combat is very different from training for a sport and real fighting is very different from merely training.
Joe, you've been training in a sport martial art, not a combat art. Your instructor who got it handed to him has also done the same. The brawler trained in bars and back alleys, school yards, etc. all of his life. That is a big, BIG difference.
Knew a power lifter in Texas, a club bouncer and a genuine tough guy (the kind that get disqualified in a tough man competition because he was really fighting and not playing a game). He was once shot six times at point blank range (with a .22 caliber hand gun) before he managed to grab the guy with the gun. Once he had his hands on the shooter, you could hear the bones begin to snap.... This guys hand speed was amazing. His power was incredible. He also did not have a reverse gear and once he got going who ever his unfortunate opponent was had best realize that to survive he would have to out run this guy and keep running. He once fought a "karate guy" who took out one of his knees, broke his jaw, etc. but could not stop him and once he got to the guy it was like seeing some fall into a hay baler....
SIZE and STRENGTH and WILL make all the difference in the world and don't let any one every tell you any difference.
This one has studied for over 57 years, fought professionally, worked a personal guard, etc. When this one added power lifting and bodybuilding and went from being 124 lbs to 219 (took years to get that heavy and to have the associated strength and power), it was a game changer.
Wakarimasu, tomodachl?
I disagree with you. Size can be used against someone if they do not know how to use it. Also a great big brute say an Andre The Giant I am sure does not have good stamina and endurance. Also technique and finesse are keys. A street fighter and ring fighter are apples and oranges. The ring fighter abides by the rules a street fighter has no rules. The martial arts in essence are learned for self defense and not to be fighting with. There is also no such thing as a perfect style per se. They also have flaws liabilities and assets. You should learn a striking art say boxing a ground grappling art say wrestling and a submission art say Brazilian jiu jitsu. Then you have all bases covered.
Many factors play into real fights.
Was the teacher jumped? Did he over estimate his skills? Was he sick?
If he's not willing to talk about what happened you'll never know and can't learn from it. My guess is he's probably more ashamed of being in a fight than losing and hence doesn't want to talk about it.
With all of that said, big guys can be taken down fairly easily but not without a lot of skill, confidence, and a little luck.
The reality is that most people don't fight "inside". And against a big guy, they're going to try and keep their distance. This is a huge mistake against someone bigger and stronger than you. On top of that, most martial arts don't teach "dirty techniques". Eye strikes with the finger tips, palm strikes to the mouth, nose, etc. And of course, low kicks to the knees and other "weak" spots.
Now with that said, all things being equal the large fighter will win. But all things aren't equal. So if you train smart, add lean muscle, and develop speed, you'll gain an advantage.
Don't worry about raw size, but worry about quality in the size. Just being big can make you slower. Add 5 lbs of muscle without any fat and keep working to be faster, more flexible and see how it helps you. Do it a second time and that's 10lbs of muscle and such.
So train for the love it it but also train smart!
Last year I put down 3 bouncers at a Houston nite club after my wife was disrespected. I am now 67 years old and weigh 175 lbs. My opponents weighed 250-300 lbs. I have been practicing Uechi Ryu Karate for 47 years which I learned during my 2 tours of duty in Okinawa. I have also been practicing Transcendental Meditation for 42 years. I am a proponent of non-violence and only use my training in self defense. If your mind and body has been properly trained, size doesn't matter.
street fights do not follow the ring. just because someone can perform well in the ring is no proof theyre going to do so in a street confrontation. unless your coach will tell you why the incident went against him you'll never know.
as for the brutes always win bit. thats not always true either. no matter the height of the tree if you chop at the bottom the top will fall. if you learn to chop right you can defeat the tree.
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I think it's pretty difficult to take down someone who is, say, twice your body weight. I think you should train for fun, for fitness and faster reactions etc, not for a possible street fight. It might never happen, and if you train for that reason, you could find yourself almost looking for fights or hoping you will have to use your training one day. I think that is a really bad mentality. But your training will definitely have some practical application, for example if you train regularly to punch harder, you will be able to punch harder.
Size has nothing to do with who will win skill does, look at the early ufc when there was no weight class a 600lb guy lost to a 180 lb man, in ufc 3
As for your instructor and why he lost, it could be several factors, they guy could have been better then him, he could have been jumped and so forth
Not necessarily. Bullies tend to pick on the shy and timid. If learning a martial art makes you feel more confident then you're less likely to find yourself in the situation where you need to use the art in anger.
Ok so long story short. I've been studying Muay Thai for the last 4 months so i could be able to fight if need be.
But the other day two of the other students who i'm friends with were talking about how a couple years ago a big guy beat the crap out of the teacher in a street fight.
How could that happen?
My teacher is high up and i've seen him kick *** against 3 people in the ring while sparing, yet one brute can easily beat him?
I asked my teacher how and he just ignored me, and walked off.
Wtf?
I then remembered a story my uncle told me, about a big brawler who took out literally a dozen or so men in a bar fight.
Then i came to realize that big brutes don't seem to be effected much by anyone weaker than them, even if the weaker one is faster/well trained.
I mean no lightweight could beat a heavyweight in the ufc/mma. Brock lesnar, aka a brute became champion simply due to his power/size. He beat guys who trained their whole life without any real training himself.
No martial artist could beat a gorilla, a grizzly bear, or a rhino in a no weapons fight. So it seems to me size/brute strength is the dominant factor in a fight and all that apparently matters.
On youtube i found videos of big guys beating martial artists in street fights.
Like seriously?
Am i just wasting my time and money studying Muay Thai?
I'm starting to think i should instead be eating a lot and hitting the gym to bodybuild so i can be a brute.
What do you think? Thoughts? Opinions? Explain?
