Byron hit the nail on the head. BJJ is far from a lazy art, perhaps your coach should pull his head outta his *** and train BJJ sometime.
For MMA - Wrestling is the best skill you can have, if you cannot wrestle then you are at a huge disadvantage. MMA is flawed because the rules favour wrestling. The reason for this is because BJJ was so dominant that everyone was learning BJJ and BJJ guys got you to the ground and locked you up and it essentially turned into a BJJ match. The fans were not happy with this and causes contreversy. So the MMA decided to stop stalling on the ground and now this means that a BJJ cannot have time to work submissions from his back because a wrestler can lock it up until the ref seperates them and stands it up
Plus if you a wrestler and you are on top position then you get the points as being the more dominate despite the fact that the BJJ guy is attempting submissions from his back. Even the strikers are disadvantaged by this because if a wrestler gets them to the ground then they can attempt ground and pound and it looks like the fight is continuing and the ref doesnt stop the fight so even if the wrestler is useless at ground and pound and cannot hit the striker on the ground. He still wins the round based on point alone for the take down and dominant position.
The U.F.C have said they are looking at rule changes to stop this but until they do then wrestlers are at huge advantage in MMA. In general BJJ practitioners hold no fears or concern from a wrestler, we know we are much better off and never really feel threatened, they have nothing worth worrying about. but in MMA we cannot stay there because it will be stood up again so wrestling is more dominant.
Bjj can be fought in a lazy way but if you talk to your bjj coach tell him you wrestle I think bjj would help stronger top control then a normal wrestler and You only train explosive sweeps of your back youll be a better wrestler. When I do bjj I don't stall at all unless I'm versing someone REALKY skilled then it just becomes a pain tolerance and stalling match between two skilled bjj guys. Some of the most dangerous people I've versed are wrestler with good bjj mainly submission defense sweeps transition and control is what they do in bjj then they become neck cranking an leg lock guys and become un bearable but it deffo the bjj that makes it wrestlers by themselves are only dangerous and the one of the better styles on hard ground or if it's catch mixed with folkstyke or Greco.
Of course your wrestling coach is going to be biased in favor wrestling. That's how he earns his money. Now, there is something to be said about school wrestling. If you're going against someone who can't grapple at all, then you could certainly hurt an opponent with a take down or a throw, especially on a hard surface, but if all someone knows is basic amateur wrestling, they are going to get owned by an experienced catch wrestler, sambo wrestler, BJJ opponent, or the occasional judoka.
Wrestling is the best grappling art in my opinion. You perfect ground work from the top and how to escape from the bottom. To succeed in MMA competitions you need to learn striking also.
The statement BJJ being a lazy art is as Byron stated, because many BJJ practitioners lie on their backs inviting their opponent to engage. In wrestling, you never want to be on your back.
No, your coach doesn't know what he's talking about. Look, I've wrested for 6 seasons and when I first encountered a BJJ guy when I was in the Air Force, I got my rear absolutely handed to me. It seemed like everything I did was just a "gift" for him to submit me with something.
Wrestling is very good as a compliment to another art, but it by itself is too incomplete. Wrestling is very good for take-downs (and take-down defense), side control, and simply maintaining a dominant position on your opponent. And it's definitely better than no grappling at all. But if I had the choice of only BJJ or only wrestling, then I would pick BJJ without hesitation, because, again, wrestling is too limited by itself.
Also wrestlers are not only lacking submissions, but they are totally unaccustomed to being put on their back. The entire point of wrestling is to keep your back off of the mat, and that means a wrestler would rather give you his back than be pinned to the ground... but giving someone your back in a real fight is about the dumbest thing you could do.
Now, I'm not at all saying wrestling isn't good, because wrestling is awesome. But your coach needs to get off of his high horse. I would say that wrestlers do adapt to MMA very well though, in my opinion, better than people who do stand up arts like boxing or karate.
Wrestlers actually make the best MMA fighters because its a sport that deals with controlling your opponent and don't let him or her can't control you.
there's nothing martial arts in world, all depend on personal, how hard they were trained and learned, how hard discipline they are. situation and condition was could so effect result of fighting.
There is no best anymore. You must have a well rounded skill set.
Read both answers... I pick Byron's.
For mma of course. I took bjj over the summer and told my wrestling coach and he got mad at me and said bjj is just a lazy art and it doesn't work. But he is definitely biased, he said he doesn't know why people take all these mma classes when he can beat them all up with wrestling. He said wrestling is just the flatout best. I know he can't beat up these guys because he is 5'5 and 200 lbs (with lots of fat) but he got me thinking, and a lot of mma fighters do wrestle. Is it?
