But I understand you want a style that does mix it all up so that they are proficent in all areas not just one area of combat. Well you kind of listed them already. Jeet Kun Do isn't a specific style but philosophy of learning everything and throwing away what doesn't suit you. Exactly what you were asking for. Krav Maga I think is kind of like Jeet Kun Do only the thinking part(figuring out what you should keep and not keep) has been done for you. You might not agree 100% with their line of thinking in certain things, but then that's what happens when you try to get someone else to think for you.
Lastly, I hope you realize the specialized style isn't as hopeless against generalized style as you think them to be. Each style that tends to work on a specific combat area can do so by neutralizing other areas of combat. The best example would be the sprawl and brawl style of mma fighters, where the guys refuse to be grappled and keeps working off of the striking range. You can have a boxer fight up close to neutralize kicks(and learn some kick defense) and have him learn some grappling defense. You'll have a specialized but still very effective fighter. You might think he is limited in his attacks and such, but you have to remember while you are off training 1000 techniques giving each 4 hours, the boxer will be off training to apply 4 techniques for 1000 hours. The quality of technique will be of great difference. Throw 500 of those hours on grappling defense because he's good at hooks already or something and now he has effectively shut down all the hours you spent on ground fighting and they are useless. It's an extreme example but you see my point about how being rounded fighter doesn't mean you are the best fighter.
I think you are talking out of your @ss and you have some image in your head off you being in some street situation and then walking away the hero. "BJJ will lose against multiple opponents". Everyone will lose against multiple opponents. Can one person defeat several people? Yes. But there are no guarantees in life. Just because you take a martial arts, whatever martial arts it may be doesn't mean that you will walk out without a scratch. No one walks out off any situation, anytime, anywhere.
One thing I have learned after being robbed 4 times these past 3 years is that no martial arts will prepare you for real life. None what so ever. If someone walks up to you and puts a knife to your throat you are not going to react like you do in a dojo. A little tip from me. Stop preparing for some hypothetical scenario that will NEVER happen and that most definitely will not look like you imagine it and start training for other reason. Go and have some fun, get into shape, meet some new friends, get involved with a new world and just enjoy yourself. If someone wants to fight you on the street trust your training and hopefully you'll get out of it okay, but this whole thing about taking on several opponents and looking like a bad@ss in the process is BS. That's the thing with you newbies. You are more interested in looking cool than actually being cool
Martial sports remove techniques from the system to comply with rules. Martial arts do not.
I have never need more then one style to be well rounded. The way you young people train now a days you bounce from one style to the next without learning the whole style and think you are learning more when you are learning less. It takes decades to learn an entire style not a few short years.
Kickboxing is was created as a striped down version of karate, they removed all grappling and ground fighting from kickboxing.
Boxing use to have kicking and clinching, as the years went on years went on they removed those techniques due to rules.
Judo removed many of the lethal techniques as well s the techniques for disarming armed opponents, they also removed many of the strikes as well.
All your arts you pick are sports, with the exception of wing chun which you also barely understand, wing chun has quite a bit of grappling and some ground work as well.
There is nothing wrong with cross training, it helps you with parts you may have missed. Besides not all instructors are well rounds even though there style may be.
I'm with Cecil and Kokoro.
A-lot of TMA are more rounded than you think. As for other martial arts that are "well rounded"
http://www.akban.org
http://www.youtube.com/user/ninjalla
Ay, some martial arts do only standup, some do only ground, and yes, I do believe it is important to be efficient in both, but most TMA arts are actually very well rounded IF they are taught in their true original form.
Going to answer this type of question again.
No style can cover every single thing. You are going to have to crosstrain. The professionals do it all the time. Even Muhammad Ali took Taekwondo up to black belt, despite his main style being Boxing.
If you are not happy with the styles that are available, then you need to study a few of them and eventually come up with your own method. That is actually what people end up doing for themselves anyway, regardless of what style(s) they claim. This is nothing new. It is called cross-training.
The problem I have with MMA newbies-----not the MMA professionals who actually take the time to study one style to at least black belt or beyond, THEN go to another style-----is that they do one year here, one year there, two years there, and think they KNOW the style. I did that myself for a while because I kept moving and figured training in something was better than punching the air alone. I still did not get a good understanding of anything until I got to be a black belt in one style. Once I was at that level, I could actually see the commonalities among styles. I still did not think I "knew" anything I had a yellow belt or orange belt or the equivalent experience in. For those brief studies, I list them as "exposure to", not "mastery of". Plus, the higher up I got, the more I learn, the more I see I do NOT know. A lot of people who think that they are being a mixed martial artist are really just dabbling.
Look at Bas Rutten's RANKINGS according to Wikipedia:
5th Degree Black Belt in Kyokushin Karate
2nd Degree Black Belt in Taekwondo [1]
1st degree black belt in Judo
I know there are times when he is critical of traditional systems. That does not bother me so much because he is actually RANKED in several of them. THAT is a mixed martial artist. He did not get a green belt in Kung Fu, a yellow belt in Karate, a green belt in Judo then go around thinking he can beat everybody up.
We say that Ronda Rousey is a mixed martial artist. Ok. Look at her RANKING according to Wikipedia:
4th dan black belt in Judo
Chris Weidman is only a brown belt in BJJ. That is still more formal training than a lot of people who bash TMA on the internet. In addition to the BJJ brown belt, he's got trianing in Freestyle Wrestling and Greco-Roman Wrestling according to Wikipedia.
There are other martial aspects to consider besides what we think of as styles. Do you have firearms training? Have you dealt with animal attacks? Do you know anything about healing? Awareness? Street psychology? The psychological aspects of fighting? What makes fighting different than combat? The legal aspects of self-defense? The history of martial arts? Prison systems? Different modes of learning (http://www.learning-styles-online.com/)? Physical fitness training?
No one style can cover every single thing. You are going to have to start with something and let it lead you down the road to knowledge and understanding. Then, you will have to adjust what you do and know based on your age, health and time constraints.
There are differences in sports and martial arts. Sports focus on training for the rules of that sport. Martial arts training focuses on training you t survive if you are attacked. You should train for worst case scenario. This means should should cover standing techniques, and grappling techniques. It should include defense against weapons and multiple attackers.
The problem lies that in some schools that claim to teach a martial art and in fact they are teaching a sports version of the art. They have removed many techniques because of rules of their sports.
An example is sports karate. Most people think of karate as being for children and for competing. Competition rules do not include throwing, choking, etc for the most part. But karate when taught as it was meant to be is not about competing. There are throws, chokes, joint locks (standing, kneeling, sitting, and laying).
I noticed that Kokoro said something about judo. In competition there is no striking in judo. but striking is part of judo. Judo includes weapons disarms, wrist locks, and striking. However this is mostly taught at a higher level. It is seen and taught in judo kata. Judo kata is different than karate kata. Judo kata are two man kata. It was in judo when I first learned a few kicks, back fist, wrist locks and escapes. I learn to disarm a person with a knife, stick, etc. We also were taught some tactics on how to defend ourselves against multiple attackers. The focus of our class was self defense (traditional Judo). It was not on sports judo. We learned how to use judo throws on people trying to strike us. Often we set up the throws with punches, kicks, elbows then throw and end with a choke or joint lock. But when I trained in another judo dojo it was completely different. The focus was solely on competing. It was a good school. But self defense was not taught other than kata taught to black belts. It was Olympic judo. The head instructor was an alternate for the 88 Olympics.
You have to find the right school. You don't need to find several styles to be well rounded unless you are learning a sport.
Systema, maybe?
so I already asked this question but you guys were being to thick headed to understand my question. I am not saying that martial arts like judo, bjj, wing chun, boxing, kick boxing etc. are bad, they can be effective in a fight. but you need to do multipel of those sports to be an alrounded fighter. a kick boxer is going to lose in a groundfight, same as a wing chuner and a boxer. a judoka or a bjj practicioner is going to lose in a fight against multipel people or when not groundfighting. why? because they are not well rounded, maybe effective, but not well rounded. they also don't focus on the best way to do something, but the way of there philosophie or rules. sometimes a boxer can knock out someone with a kick but is not alloud because then it is not boxing. a wing chuner could use his strength against a weak opponent but he is not alloud because he needs to focuse on his speed. a judoka can punch someone ko sometimes when groundfighting, but is not alloud because he has to use holds. So now you understand, I want to now some sports like jeet kun do, krav maga, keysi fighting method and mma that focus on a well rounded fighter who can survive in any fighting situation. well actually, mma is also made for competition in stead of real fighting so it doesn't really fit in here. don't be a thick headed loser who tries to convince me the other fighting styles are effective too, because I know that, I am asking for fighting styles who combine those different styles into one
