Both styles are wonderfully versed on the ground, submission and sweep skills as well as control from your back makes BJJ far more adept to fighting on the ground but a Judo practitioner likes to dominate and gain control. They are very hard to move if you allow them to do this and it takes much time, experience and patience to make this possible. Clearly your boyfriend does not have that and for him to challenge a quality Judo practitioner and think he would dominate him is just ridiculous.
I am extremely well versed on the ground and do not have a concern with being on the ground with any person but a good Judo practitioner certainly can be a handful and someone to be very wary of. Your bf was never going to win this fight because he just does not have the experience to do so.
Judo is a truly wonderful art and one which is often overlooked when people think of great styles. This is a shame because its throws are second to none. They are amazing and something to fear for any martial artist. They have wonderful submission skills that are the fundamental core of BJJ but they lack that control on their back and they do not have the arsenal available that a BJJ fighter has. This does not mean they are not capable of destroying a BJJ fighter, Just like a BJJ fighter can destroy Judo fighters.
Depends. As always the better fighter will win, but in terms of ground game, bjj has an advantage over Judo, bc bjj is all about the ground game.
Both are almost entirely different martial arts as I'm sure you know. Judo is all about throwing your opponent, Bjj is all about wrestling your opponent and keeping them on the ground.
In this case your boyfriend just happened to be a bad fighter, and did not use his skills as a bjj fighter the way he should. Your brother just may be a better fighter.
Perhaps your boyfriend didn't truly want to hurt your brother out of respect to you, perhaps he was having a bad day. Who knows?
In the end, in my honest opinion, your boyfriend was deeply disrespectful to you trying to fight your brother. In my book, you don't do that. But then again you said, they both set up and accepted the fight so...
In short, your brother happens to be the better fighter.
I'd say the two sports are equal but there are always good fighters and bad fighters. The fault is not with the sport,just your bfs skill.
So remove the story about the two idiots and you're basically asking a bjj vs judo question? They are two different arts that emphasize on two different things. Judo practitioners want to throw you so as a means of "winning". In bjj they want throw you to get you on the ground This is just a big generalization. I wouldn't say that one is better than the other. Both have its uses.
sometimes its down to the fighters too. how they know their technique. someone could be an expert at 2 or 3 techniques and win with those. or they can know 20 techniques at a lower level and lose.
You brother won because he is the better fighter. Neither judo nor bjj is superior. In this case you brother was superior not the art. You brother has more experience. BJJ and judo are similar. Yet they are also different. Judo is the parent art to bjj. BJJ allow legs locks whereas judo doesn't allow leg locks. Judo in competition require you to get eh submission or pin in a brief amount of time before they stand you back up. Bjj allows you to be more patient and wait for the opponent to make a mistake. Judo you have to force the issue and create the advantage. Bjj usually don't include much as far as take downs even though they do teach them. Judo does more with throws. Both use the ground. Some school focus more on the ground than others.
The one thing your brother dd wrong was agree to a fight with the other guys term. He was agreeing to a fight where it limits what your brother can use and gave your bf his strength. But it backed fired on your bf. We always tell our students not to fight someone else type of fight. You do what you do and they do what they do. In other word don't try to box against a boxer or wrestle against a wrestler. You are in their territory. That is like you trying to fight a shark in an ocean. The odds are against you. But if I must fight a shark I will not agree to its terms. I will bring a weapon and fight them on the land.
Judo is not all about throwing. Judo has just as much emphasis on throwing as it does ground work. Whoever is better at ground work is going to win, period. If the Judo players you know don't know ground work it is because they don't know ground work. To win a Judo contest, you need to win by a full point, which is called Ippon, or by the referees decision if no one has earned an Ippon. You can get an Ippon with:
1) A powerful throw where the opponent lands flat on his back.
2) Two lesser throws of 1/2 point quality that add up to a full point.
3) Tapping out the opponent with an arm lock, or a strong pin to the point that the opponent gives up via submission.
4) Choking out the opponent with a choke, forcing a submission.
5) Choking the opponent unconscious, the refs see that, stop the match, and you win.
6) Holding the opponent in a pin for 25 seconds once for an Ippon, or twice for 20 seconds so that two 1/2 point scores (Wazari) add up to an Ippon (called Wazari Awasate Ippon).
7) A 1/2 point throw (Wazari) and a 20 second pin together add up to an Ippon.
Only three of what I mentioned above involve throwing.
You need to stop making style assumptions. What if I told you that there are Taekwondo people who can beat BJJ people on the ground, without striking, because the Taekwondo people were wrestlers or knew BJJ or Jujitsu or Sambo themselves? What if I told you there is actually a way of fighting on the ground where you do actually strike?
If you want to learn ground grappling just to learn it, and not because you are interested in MMA competition, you should take Judo or wrestling. The only reason why I would suggest that BJJ is better for MMA is not because of style, it is because in my experience, BJJ clubs are better networked with the MMA competitions, where a club that is purely Judo or primarily Judo or like mine, partially Judo, is more geared towards Judo competitions. So if you had MMA professional aspirations, ON AVERAGE, it would be easier to do that from a BJJ club. There is nothing wrong with that. HOWEVER, some Judo clubs train people in BJJ. Also, some Judo players also take Jujitusu, and BJJ. And some BJJ players take Judo and compete in Judo tournaments. And some Jujitsu players.....get the idea?
So I guess the time I got thrown by a BJJ guy that should not have happened, right? Well considering his teacher also had a black belt in Judo, I was not too shocked. You should not be either.
Stop making style assumptions. And please, people on the internet, don't ever assume that you can beat an instructor of a style or a black belt of a style just because the internet says that style is inferior. I'm talking to you folks who would assume you can beat a Taekwondo black belt or a kung fu student just because that person trains in Taekwondo at what you consider to be a "mcdojo" or because Joe Rogan said kung fu sucks, not realizing that his or her parents may be putting them in that school to curb their violent behavior, and that in reality, that particular mcdojo student you had the misfortune of selecting has more real world fighting experience than you do.
One more tip: if someone agrees to a Styles War challenge, it is because he is confident that he can win it. The fact that he is willing to take the challenge is a hint that things may not go your way.
My boyfriend does BJJ and has been doing if for a couple of years now, He's 24 and probably around 165 lb. My younger Brother is 19 and has been Judo for as long as I remember. They don't really like each other much. Recently got into an argument with each other (i think it was about judo vs bjj), and my boyfriend said that he would destroy by brother in a fight and challenged him to a 1v1. My brother agreed and they both decided to have a 1vs1, both in gi. However my boyfriend said that they could only use ground techniques.
They were at it for a while and my younger brother pretty dominated by bf every single time. I was watching and I felt pretty embarrassed as I was hoping my brother would lose (not sure why). Like it was literally a domination. They both fought within the laws of the sport, they wern't using dirty tricks. I always thought BJJ would have better groundwork, but afterwards my brother told me that because in Judo they only have limited time on the ground and their movements are more aggresive and explosive, whereas in BJJ they are slow and only gradually work their way through.
The next day my boyfriend told me that he wasn't used to fighting in a bigger gi (he was using my brother's spare gi and my brother is about 195-200lb) and thats why he lost. But for some reason I don't believe him.
I know Judo is much better standing up, but i didn't think that my brother would easily dominate my boyfriend who does bjj on the ground.
