Sorry Kokoro, those are videos of MMA fights, not pure practitioners. There is a difference even with the ruleset.

The very nature of the fact is that you have to be prepared to fight in every aspect. Someone doesn't have to be awesome at ground fighting or taking someone down, you just have to be able to defend against it.

Chuck Liddell was an awesome example, he was incredibly difficult to take down and he used his striking effectively.

You are going to find videos for anything you want to find, the Gracies had a challenge where they had strikers, Kung Fu fighters, and various sorts come down and do a no rules fight. The Gracies came out on top... not because it was amazing but because it was something that nobody else trained for and they did.

To be honest, how many long time 20 or 30 years Martial Art practitioners even began training against someone attempting to take them down seriously before 95 or so?

Most people didn't, where they had some theoretical training the fact was they never sparred all out with someone taking them down.

Gene Lebell destroyed Milo Savage choking him out. Basically wrestlers/grapplers against strikers was a here and there circus act sort of thing.

Nobody heavily trained it, unless they trained in Judo, and hardly anyone sparred it heavily.

People are going to have lots of answers, and lots of ideas. The simple and pure fact is, unless you spar against a good grappler repeatedly, you are not going to develop the timing and skills to stop from being taken down.

Similarly, if you ONLY train grappling you will be in for a VERY rude surprise facing a striking opponent.

A good striker only has to have decent takedown and submission defense and some ability to get back up and get out of bad positions on the ground.

A good grappler only has to have decent striking and defense, and ability to control striking on the ground.

But if you have a hole, a range you can't fight in, then yes you would lose to someone who is good at getting someone to fight in that range.

Notice BJJ players owned MMA early, then wrestlers took over, then slowly and surely strikers who had a good sprawl and takedown defense started doing well.

If BJJ and Grappling were the end all be all, Damien Maia, Jeff Monson, Marcelo Garcia, Robert Drysdale, and Vinny Magalhaes would be the world champs... as it is, it is guys who are very balanced that are world champs. Anderson Silva made Damien Maia look like a school kid...

The answer is you have to be well rounded period, for ANY situation. Street or otherwise.

If you feel an eye gouge, nut shot, vein rip, throat strike, are more appropriate ways to get out of say a triangle choke, then stacking someone, crossing over their face and utilizing leverage to defeat the choke, then you would be in for a rude surprise while going unconscious.

Similarly, if you think pulling guard on a fight to sink in a triangle choke is more effective then remaining standing, sinking a standing choke or using a high impact takedown and protecting your body, then you'll be in for a rude surprise when someone is pounding your face into hamburger meat while you are trying to set up your triangle...

Ask Royce Gracie... he took about 4 1/2 minutes of pounding before he was able to take out Kimo Leopoldo.. and was unable to continue afterwards.

Without spending some time developing, sparring, and understanding fighting ranges, you can be in for a rude surprise otherwise.

Knocking any style is foolish, everything has something to offer. And when it comes to their particular fighting range, or even using more fighting ranges, they all are effective.

However, you should never think your style has all the answers... especially if you aren't regularly sparring people from other styles to test it.

For example I see lots of "counter grappling" or "self defense grappling" taught or demo'd however, it isn't pressure tested against good grapplers.. they are making assumptions as to how a grappler would fight, or that a grappler will do zero striking what so ever, and only shoot specific takedowns.

Until you spar continously against guys who do those techniques at real speed, you aren't going to understand the weakness or strength of that defense. I've gone through this several times at the school I am at where the Kempo or Hapkido guys show a particular "ground fighting" technique and mentioned that a "wrestler or grappler" would do this.. or that... however they never have sparred it against a wrestler or grappler to test it.

The same thing is grapplers who train striking defense and closing the distance against each other, without someone with very serious striking skills throwing those strikes. Good striking practitioners utilize movement, footwork and angles. You can't really just shoot on them, similarly you can't close distance unless you learn how to close distance against someone who knows how to keep distance. Otherwise you are giving yourself and unrealistic idea of how combat is going to be.

Sorry for the book. But long story short, you have to be balanced... a pure BJJ person vs. a Pure Karateka comes down to practitioner more than the style itself. A BJJ person who has been working their art in Vale Tudo and other areas (as the gracies had) against a Karate Full Contact or Point Fighter.. the truth is the BJJ player has faced other strikers in competition and the Karateka hasn't faced other grapplers in competition. The BJJ player is more balanced.

A BJJ player who does purely BJJ competitions and doesn't train against striking going against a skilled boxer,kickboxer, or even Karateka really becomes who can impose their will more.. that is an more even match up... that isn't clear cut and can go either way.

Training methodology has to do with that heavily. If you never do hard sparring and you are going against someone who does regularly.. you are going to be at a disadvantage period.

Well you are entitled to your opinion, even if it is wrong.

Do you think the people who posted this video are going to post videos of them being defeated by other arts. You also have to consider the people in the video are elite grapplers as compared to mediocre strikers.

Seriously you must not train very much because it is not as easy to get a person to the ground as you think it is. It is a skill all of its own. you cannot just rush in and take someone down because all it takes is one strike to end the fight.

Once on the ground, few people can match an experienced grappler unfortunately many of the people learning BJJ today are learning only part of the curriculum and learning for competition instead of self defense and there is a big difference. I would say that most of the higher ranked BJJ fighters today are inferior to what they use to be because they train the wrong application.

People just assume the BJJ they are learning is the genuine article but its the inferior modified version. This means half of the BJJ grapplers now cannot even avoid strikes from the ground because they train the competition format which most schools teach and think when they get to the ground they will automatically win which is not that cut and dry.

Your silly fan boy opinion is one thing that really damages the art of the very style you are trying to brag about. The more you brag about it the more people want to hate on the art. it turns people away. If you truly understood martial arts then you would know this, this is why you can tell you have no knowledge of which you speak.

Respect everyone and every style. To receive respect you must first respect others.

So you have seen a few videos and now have come to the conclusion that you stated. But what about the videos of people using the arts you mentioned that have beaten BJJ. Pure Karate and Kung-fu are not intended for competition BJJ is geared for competition. They were never intended to be used against each other for sport competition. Would you fight with one hand tied behind you back? I think not. but when you put Karate in competition the Karate-ka would not be allowed to use much of what he has trained to do. That is exactly like fighting with one hand tied behind your back.

Really, you kids and your lack of perspective on fighting arts, what they are supposed to be, and sport competition.

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I think you have no idea what your talking about.

BJJ has lost to karate countless times as well. Karate guys break boards, imagine in a street fight with no gloves what that would to do ribs? The only reason BJJ is superior in the octagon is because its chokes/submissions/throws are not limited by the gloves, but all of karates open hand strikes (shutos, knife hands, ridgehands) can not be done with the awkward spacing between the fingers of the MMA gloves that allows for better grappling. Also, as I said before, the strikes that you CAN do like hammerfists, punchs, backfists are all padded.

"Karate" is not a martial art and the same for "Kung Fu". These are terms that describe many forms of martial arts from Okinawa and Japan and from China respectively.

Just because you've seen videos doesn't mean it's always the case.

For instance, in Uechi Ryu at the higher ranks (Brown belt and above) we spend a great deal of time working on avoiding take downs, and on taking others down. (look up Sesein Bunkai as one example)

My point is that for those of us who train with a full spectrum of skills we won't be "owned" by anyone. Sure no one is unbeatable, but your theory that one art is better than many others is flawed. And for those of us who crosstrain with folks from other arts we learn and train in ways to deal with what they do.

You are referring to the old 'Gracie Jiu Jitsu In Action' VHS tapes. What many people don't know about those fights is that the opponents of the Gracies agreed ahead of time not to strike full force during the fights. When you couple this with the fact that the fights took place on a padded floor, you begin to see how "unrealistic" and "staged" these fights were in favor of the Gracies. Another thing you won't hear is how in the 1980s Rorion Gracie backed down from a fight with 'then' World kickboxing champion Benny "The Jet" Urquidez. Clearly Rorion knew he was no match for The Jet who had a very aggressive, in-your-face approach to kickboxing. He also had black belts in Judo and Jujitsu. He was one of the most well rounded fighters of his time, and Rorion who was going around bragging about his father's Jiu Jitsu decided he would only agree to fight Urquidez if he could put up $200,000 and his kickboxing belt. Well, this didn't make any sense because Rorion did not have the equivalent of a kickboxing belt to put up in the event that he lost to Urquidez. So the fight never happened.

How many attackers? Whose rules? If I do Karate and have to play by BJJ rules to go to the ground I wouldn't do so well either. On the other hand if the BJJ guy has to play by Karate rules and has to get in on a Karateka who knows how to hit and keep the BJJ guy at bay he will be down before he gets in. This is the problem with sports fighting. They do not give you an accurate picture because their rules limit what you can do.

Oh, look - another movie!

"YouTube Proves Everything, Fanboys Know Everything, MMA Beats Everything"

Saw the movie. Saw the sequels. Saw the prequels. Why does the ending never change?

not true... look at cung li he is stand up fighter but he has never going to the ground...no ground fighter has taken him down only because he has background in wrestling.. he can do throws but he uses space to help him all the time.. same thing with bjj fighter space is the key to bring a guy to the ground.. if you cant get on the inside of a person bjj then is useless you not going to get the other guy on the ground.. in fighting space is key no matter your style..

Well with Boxing or Traditional, if you're strong enough or if you know how to counter a grappling technique, it shouldn't be too difficult. but in sports fighting, a lot of techniques used in traditional martial arts for countering grapples are banned because they are either lethal or too risky. With Western Boxing, it really just depends on strength and speed.

bjj losing to karate, i found these in 30 seconds. you obviously see only what you want to.